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Imogen Heap - Goodnight & Go single - PLEASE BUY!

Postby James » Thu May 11, 2006 11:23 am

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Hello my friends!

I'm writing to you to ask a favour....do you have £1.99 you can possibly spare? If so, please pick up a copy of Imogen Heap's wonderful new single 'Goodnight and Go' from your local HMV or Virgin, or even more hassle-free get it delivered from HMV for £1.99 from the link below.

By ordering this CD you will not only help out Imogen - a very talented young lady who re-mortgaged her home to fund the making of her current album, but you'll also keep me employed that little bit longer (and thus enable me to pay for the bored's hosting ;))! Not to mention you'll score the coolest CD single artwork you've seen in your life!

The CD cover has a lenticular (moving) front cover which consists of four different images, and it's brilliant! And not only is the artwork brilliant, but both the songs 'Goodnight and Go' and 'Speeding Cars' are awesome. You can hear them both here: www.myspace.com/imogenheap. You also get the video on the CD!

The single's midweek chart position is no.39 and if it makes the top 40 on Sunday evening it will be a great result for everyone involved, myself included!

So if you have that spare 2 quid...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pick up a copy!

You can get the CD single here:

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProd ... sku=504816

And for those of you turned on by vinyl, you can get the limited edition numbered clear 7 inch here:

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProd ... sku=504820

Thanks for reading!

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Postby In_Love_With_An_Alien » Thu May 11, 2006 5:01 pm

i'm almost positive that one of her songs was in Bones.
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Postby Space Cowgirl » Thu May 11, 2006 6:21 pm

In_Love_With_An_Alien wrote:i'm almost positive that one of her songs was in Bones.


yeah, i thought that too.
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Postby James » Thu May 11, 2006 9:41 pm

Yeah it was - someone mentioned it on her bored, can't remember which track it was though...
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Postby Matt » Thu May 11, 2006 11:11 pm

woah. i've been censored on here. hah. i wonder how long this post will last.

Don't buy major label music. Go to www.magnatune.com or www.ccmixter.org or www.creativecommons.org/wired for free music that doesn't hurt creativity. get it before james censors me again!!
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Postby **Holly** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:15 pm

i ordered the sassy vinyl today. mmmmmm yum. Delays- Hideaway is also out this week James ;) they're currently at no.29 in the midweeks xx
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Postby James » Thu May 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Matt wrote:woah. i've been censored on here. hah. i wonder how long this post will last.

Don't buy major label music. Go to www.magnatune.com or www.ccmixter.org or www.creativecommons.org/wired for free music that doesn't hurt creativity. get it before james censors me again!!


Everybody give Matt attention! Quick!

Being the professional musician he is, he knows *so* much about music (Imogen Heap's background in particular, what with him having worked with her for 5+ years and all that?) he has deemed anyone who has anything to do with major labels 'not worthwhile' of YOUR money, YOUR time, and YOUR opinion and must tell YOU what YOU should listen to instead, because after all kids - he knows *best* and we're all being fooled by the big bad evil corporate cocksuckers!

I prefered it when you were 'no longer on this message board'. Grow up and get a clue you needy little prick.
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Postby chloe55 » Thu May 11, 2006 11:33 pm

Matt wrote:woah. i've been censored on here. hah. i wonder how long this post will last.

Don't buy major label music. Go to www.magnatune.com or www.ccmixter.org or www.creativecommons.org/wired for free music that doesn't hurt creativity. get it before james censors me again!!


what do you expect? really? when you tell everyone not to buy the music of an amazing, as independent and creative as you can get artist without being obscure, who is also a good friend of james and the dds, and who a lot of people on here like a lot.
(HURT creativity?! have you even listened to immi??)

actually, i can't really be bothered to say any more, because i know what you'll say; that it's free speech yada yada.. fair enough. it's just pointless when it comes to something like this, no?
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Postby Sal » Fri May 12, 2006 12:15 am

oh matt. I got your text. look, I'm not personally a big fan of her, but I have enough respect for people not to shoot down their posts where they're trying to help out their friend, whilst also helping out their career. if I see the vinyl, I'll probably buy it to help out james and immi, as she seems nice from what I hear. and because vinyl is good. it would have nothing to do with the music, or the label, or any other cause.

I don't agree with an awful lot of major label shit, and I do believe in a lot of what you believe in, but when it comes down to it...people will buy music that they like, off sources that are appropriate for them. the more shit you give them about it, the more people will close themselves off from it. like I say, I agree with you on a lot of points, but saying things like that in a post like this will get you precisely nowhere, and it does make you look like a bit of a dick when james is only trying to help out his friend.

we're all here because of a certain major label band. so even if they are all evil bastards, some good can clearly come out of them.
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Postby cartilage » Fri May 12, 2006 12:29 am

:shock:

I would like to say that I think Matt's post was a bit rude but I don't think he should be persecuted for it.

Matt might not necessarily know best every time but deleting that comment altogether.. well I think it was a bit overcensorious. It has the unfortunate effect, James, of making

"...must tell YOU what YOU should listen to instead, because after all kids - he knows *best*"

sound a bit hypocritical.

I do think Matt's post was a bit wrong.. having heard Hide and Seek I don't really think there's much more "worthwhile" that I can spend my money on than Imogen Heap's music... but it would have been nice if the comment had still been up here to respond to.
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Postby Anna » Fri May 12, 2006 12:29 am

Sal wrote:we're all here because of a certain major label band. so even if they are all evil bastards, some good can clearly come out of them.


Actually Telstar wasn't a major...

I would love to know what people think is better about indies than the right major for a band...aside from the fact that there's not a million different departments at an indie. Royalty rates, advances, creative input, owning copyright are often the same at both a large indie (say, Wichita) and a major. Creation were one of the last labels to offer a 50-50 royalty rate, and they went pretty much bust because of it. Hardly constructive towards an artist's future...

The music industry in general isn't friendly towards artists; bizarre but true. The old mantra stands - if you're successful they will do anything for you, and if you're not they may well stop caring about you. Perhaps that's the difference between indies and majors - but it's never seemed to feature as one of Matt's arguments against majors. But from what I understand of the nature of Immi's deal with Sony BMG, they're essentially paying for the marketing of her album/singles, giving her tour support and physically (and digitally!) manufacturing and distributing the records...there's been no destruction of creativity (the album was already made and released by the time Nick Raphael got involved) and no compromise in what the artist wants.
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Postby cartilage » Fri May 12, 2006 12:50 am

If Cra was here she'd say "play nice". :D

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Postby whatacrapname » Fri May 12, 2006 12:56 am

Anna wrote:Actually Telstar wasn't a major...

I would love to know what people think is better about indies than the right major for a band...aside from the fact that there's not a million different departments at an indie. Royalty rates, advances, creative input, owning copyright are often the same at both a large indie (say, Wichita) and a major. Creation were one of the last labels to offer a 50-50 royalty rate, and they went pretty much bust because of it. Hardly constructive towards an artist's future...

The music industry in general isn't friendly towards artists; bizarre but true. The old mantra stands - if you're successful they will do anything for you, and if you're not they may well stop caring about you. Perhaps that's the difference between indies and majors - but it's never seemed to feature as one of Matt's arguments against majors. But from what I understand of the nature of Immi's deal with Sony BMG, they're essentially paying for the marketing of her album/singles, giving her tour support and physically (and digitally!) manufacturing and distributing the records...there's been no destruction of creativity (the album was already made and released by the time Nick Raphael got involved) and no compromise in what the artist wants.


It wasn't an indie either. What actually was it?

personally, although as you say, the music industry isn't really geared towards a good deal for artists, indie labels either do, or seem to, offer a fairer deal for the poor little man on the piano. it's less about absolute profit.

it's all horses for courses though. what's right for one band/artist, may not be the way another will want to go. i'm not sure it really matters anyway who does what or what the differences are. now we have the internet, people can be heard anyway without being signed to a major. and make money off of it too.
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Postby Anna » Fri May 12, 2006 1:07 am

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Anna wrote:Actually Telstar wasn't a major...

I would love to know what people think is better about indies than the right major for a band...aside from the fact that there's not a million different departments at an indie. Royalty rates, advances, creative input, owning copyright are often the same at both a large indie (say, Wichita) and a major. Creation were one of the last labels to offer a 50-50 royalty rate, and they went pretty much bust because of it. Hardly constructive towards an artist's future...

The music industry in general isn't friendly towards artists; bizarre but true. The old mantra stands - if you're successful they will do anything for you, and if you're not they may well stop caring about you. Perhaps that's the difference between indies and majors - but it's never seemed to feature as one of Matt's arguments against majors. But from what I understand of the nature of Immi's deal with Sony BMG, they're essentially paying for the marketing of her album/singles, giving her tour support and physically (and digitally!) manufacturing and distributing the records...there's been no destruction of creativity (the album was already made and released by the time Nick Raphael got involved) and no compromise in what the artist wants.


It wasn't an indie either. What actually was it?

personally, although as you say, the music industry isn't really geared towards a good deal for artists, indie labels either do, or seem to, offer a fairer deal for the poor little man on the piano. it's less about absolute profit.

it's all horses for courses though. what's right for one band/artist, may not be the way another will want to go. i'm not sure it really matters anyway who does what or what the differences are. now we have the internet, people can be heard anyway without being signed to a major. and make money off of it too.


Well, the four majors are Warners, EMI, Sony BMG and Universal...Telstar had tie-ins with BMG (before the 2004 merger) in terms of licensing to compilations but to the best of my knowledge it was independently owned - majors are only majors if the parent companies have their fingers in other pies aside from music. Funded as a start up from a government grant/loan. I don't know if marketing was outsourced or anything. Perhaps James can enlighten for clarification!

If a major label adore what the poor little man on the piano is doing...and everyone gets along and shares a creative vision...then it's probably the right label for the poor little man. But like you say, it's all horses for courses - what's right for one artist might not be right for another - just that contrary to what seems to be Matt's view, sometimes majors are what's right for artists, other times it's not. One thing I would say is that a label is made by the people - and at a few majors/major subsids in the country at the moment, there are some very indie people working at creating successful bands in a cool way...just like indies...they just have a bit more money to do it. I just disagree with calling majors evil by principle; it's so far from black and white like that.
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Postby whatacrapname » Fri May 12, 2006 1:33 am

i know who the major labels are :/

sometimes recently, you can come across as quite patronising, y'know.
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Postby Matt » Fri May 12, 2006 1:49 am

James wrote:Everybody give Matt attention! Quick!

Being the professional musician he is, he knows *so* much about music (Imogen Heap's background in particular, what with him having worked with her for 5+ years and all that?) he has deemed anyone who has anything to do with major labels 'not worthwhile' of YOUR money, YOUR time, and YOUR opinion and must tell YOU what YOU should listen to instead, because after all kids - he knows *best* and we're all being fooled by the big bad evil corporate cocksuckers!

I prefered it when you were 'no longer on this message board'. Grow up and get a clue you needy little prick.


Actually, my original post (and I've got a screenshot of it) - says
Or you could not buy major label music, and spend your money on something more worthwhile.

Lots of great free music:
+ http://www.magnatune.com/
+ http://www.ccmixter.org/
+ http://creativecommons.org/wired/


Note the word 'or' in there[1] - it's an option, yet you deleted it and chose to silence that. I don't want attention, although thanks for giving it to me... (by deleting my post you've actually caused much more of an uproar than I would have had normally, and I thank you for that) - all I want is people to know what they're buying into, and buying major label music doesn't help artists, bar the Madonna's of the world... they're only able to get a good deal after years of struggle.

Anyway, why do I need to be a professional musician to have an opinion about this, James? You're not one either, but unlike you, I don't feel the need to post sales pitches. I've heard some of her music, I believe there was even a Frou Frou song on the Garden State DVD [2] I bought for Chloe - fact is. I don't have a problem with Imogen Heap - I just have a problem with her record companies, but when you buy music from an conglomerate that sues children[3], fills people's computers with spyware,[4] sells you discs that don't play in your CD player [5] and tell you that downloading music is the same as stealing CDs from shops [6], I just see what a pathetic and evil minded system these poor artists have bought into. People shouldn't be remortgaging houses to make music - it shouldn't be that hard to produce something good and have people who care, buy it - look at Josh's EP for a pretty good example of this.

Major labels are bad for artists - Courtney Love has a great article explaining all this [7] - and as a creative person myself, I want to exist in a world where people can actually continue the traditions and continue to produce things because they enjoy doing so, where people are able to produce great works without being tied to deals with these fuckers and where people are able to make a decent living doing something they enjoy.

Isn't that something you want, or do you really want to remain in the system as it stands now? Where an artist may see less than 50p for a CD they sold? Worse still, where the record companies sell their music through the increasingly popular download services, tying their fans into restrictions on how and where they can play the music they've paid for?

To quote the Canadian Music Creators Coalition (which includes a fuck load of guys on major labels - Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Chantal Kreviazuk, Sum 41, Stars, Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace), Dave Bidini (Rheostatics), Billy Talent, John K. Samson (Weakerthans), Broken Social Scene, Sloan, Andrew Cash, Bob Wiseman (cofounder of Blue Rodeo), Sam Roberts, Greg Keelor (Blue Rodeo), Bob Ezrin, Feist, Arlen Thompson (Wolf Parade), Randy Bachman, Metric, The New Pornographers, Bill Henderson (Chilliwack), Ronnie King (The Stampeders), Lionel Dean Jarvis (Music Director/Bassist for Nelly Furtado), Ashwin Sood, Lighthouse, Luke Doucet, Blair Packham, Chris Tate, Craig Sheppard (Johnny Favourite Swing Orchestra), Chris Hogan, Golden Seals, Aaron Soloman, Dennis Ellsworth (The Little Pilgrims), Likewater, Neil Layton, The Johnny V Trio, Oneeyedjacks, Moneyshot)[8]

We are a growing coalition of Canadian music creators who share the common goal of having our voices heard about the laws and policies that affect our livelihoods. We are the people who actually create Canadian music. Without us, there would be no music for copyright laws to protect.

Until now, a group of multinational record labels has done most of the talking about what Canadian artists need out of copyright. Record companies and music publishers are not our enemies, but let's be clear: lobbyists for major labels are looking out for their shareholders, and seldom speak for Canadian artists. Legislative proposals that would facilitate lawsuits against our fans or increase the labels' control over the enjoyment of music are made not in our names, but on behalf of the labels' foreign parent companies.
[9]

You're trying to help a friend - there's a lot to be said for that - but I'm offering people a chance to help her too, albeit indirectly. If we can get artists to rethink the rules of creativity - where music can be created, shared and co-exist, whilst making artists money - then that's going to be better for everyone in the long run.

Oh, and thanks for calling me a needy little prick - because when we resort to name calling, I think it's pretty clear who's worrying here. (Hint: It's not me.)

For the record, I'm sure, after this, it's fairly obvious why you'd prefer to see me off the board - must make it easier for you if there's nobody asking questions about things like this.

Oh, and please.. check the sources for my comment here.

[1] - 'James Clarke Censors Me' - CC-BY-SA licensed piece of artwork - http://mattl.co.uk/james_clarke_censors_me.png

[2] - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0333766/soundtrack

[3] - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/09 ... _the_face/ and http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid= ... 0&from=rss

[4] - http://www.eff.org/IP/DRM/Sony-BMG/

[5] - http://www.ukcdr.org/issues/cd/

[6] -
It’s illegal!
The unauthorized reproduction and distribution of copyrighted music is JUST AS ILLEGAL AS SHOPLIFTING A CD. Burning CD’s from peer-to-peer networks like KaZaA, Morpheus or Gnutella is against the law. The rules are very simple. Unless you own the copyright, it’s not yours to distribute.
- http://www.musicunited.org/

[7] - 'Courtney Love Does The Math' - http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2 ... print.html

[8] - http://www.musiccreators.ca/ (sidebar)

[9] - http://www.musiccreators.ca/a_new_voice.php
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Postby Matt » Fri May 12, 2006 1:54 am

Oh, and I await your inevitable, half arsed reply or for you to delete my post again, and then we can all move on :)
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Postby Phoenix Ferret » Fri May 12, 2006 5:23 am

steve albini wrote a very interesting article a few years ago about the economics of being on a major label too. personally i would never want to be involved with a major label as they fly against a hell of a lot of my ethics. diy or die! hehe
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Postby cartilage » Fri May 12, 2006 7:24 am

Be fair, Matt, your post did have a big image that said "WARNING - don't buy from evil people" or similar. And the "or" in your post was rather rhetorical, wasn't it?

Phoenix Ferret wrote:steve albini wrote a very interesting article a few years ago about the economics of being on a major label too.


It was him. I was trying to find that to show Anna. I thought it was about being on any big label though, not necessarily a major. Anyone who'd lend you £250,000.


Oh. I was wrong. Here it is:

http://www.atomly.com/random/albini.html

HOWEVER.

I don't think that not buying or promoting your friends' music and the music of musicians you like once they are on a major label would be a very good way of helping them.
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Postby Matt » Fri May 12, 2006 9:25 am

cartilage wrote:I don't think that not buying or promoting your friends' music and the music of musicians you like once they are on a major label would be a very good way of helping them.


I'd say, if I had a friend on a major label, I'd prefer to give them a tenner - that's going to be a lot more than they'd get from me buying their CD.

cartilage wrote:Be fair, Matt, your post did have a big image that said "WARNING - don't buy from evil people" or similar. And the "or" in your post was rather rhetorical, wasn't it?


It said 'Or you could not buy major label music and spend your money on something more worthwhile' with two of the RIAA radar 'Warning' images...

http://mattl.co.uk/riaaradar.png

The links I posted offer free of charge music, under a license than encourages reuse. I think it's fair to offer people a choice.
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Postby cartilage » Fri May 12, 2006 10:07 am

That site is fascinating actually.

I'm still buying the single though.
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Postby Matt » Fri May 12, 2006 10:09 am

cartilage wrote:I'm still buying the single though.


Awesome. Just making people aware of their options :)
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Re: Imogen Heap - Goodnight & Go single - PLEASE BUY!

Postby Ali » Sun May 14, 2006 10:04 pm

James wrote:
The CD cover has a lenticular (moving) front cover which consists of four different images, and it's brilliant! And not only is the artwork brilliant, but both the songs 'Goodnight and Go' and 'Speeding Cars' are awesome. You can hear them both here: www.myspace.com/imogenheap. You also get the video on the CD!


When I took it to the counter of HMV the guy was amazed and showed the other people working with him. hehe. I was pretty amazed too :)
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Postby James » Tue May 16, 2006 12:05 pm

The single charted at no.56 which everyone was happy with - thanks to everyone here who bought it, I hope you liked the artwork and also the b-side which is WONDERFUL!

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Postby chloe55 » Tue May 16, 2006 2:33 pm

bahh mine got posted home because i forgot to change the address when i did the pre-order thing, so i can't see it :(
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Postby **Holly** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:50 pm

my vinyl arrived yesterday. oh it's sooooooooooooo pretty. with all the little engraved messages and stuff. i keep sitting and stroking it :D xxxxxxxx
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